07 November 2006

Hamlet And Our Cowardly Conscience



Above is an image of Derek Jacobi as Hamlet. I thought you'd find this cool because he plays Claudius in the version of the play we're watching.

Here are some thoughts on what we've read from III.i . . .

When Hamlet walks into the scene, he is in sort of a trance. We watch him thinking. We overhear his thoughts. He has progressed beyond the anger of II.ii and is now reflecting on his failure to act.

This is the intellectual Hamlet. He is lost in thought, unaware of what is going on in Denmark. Unaware of this uncle. Unaware of Ophelia. Certainly unaware of his current "antic disposition." Thus, this soliloquy seems almost detached from the rest of the play.

Although Dustin Baker disagrees with me a little bit, I feel that Hamlet is beyond the point of contemplating his own suicide. I feel that he may be thinking about the idea of suicide, but not the act. His question is "Why don't we all just off ourselves?" his answer is "Because none of us know what's next." Where D-Bake and I might agree is in the notion that Hamlet's train of though might be inspired by both his failure to quickly avenge his father AND his earlier failure to kill himself.

Now, here's something else. Pay attention. Have you been watching closely? Hamlet calls death the "undiscovered country." He specifically notes that none of us know what comes after death. Earlier, Hamlet pointed out that suicide is a SIN. He was CERTAIN he'd go to hell. Now he's thinking that no one actually KNOWS what would happen after suicide. I see a drastic change of thinking here. Or at least a temporary shift.

On Thursday, we'll discuss how Ophelia jolts Hamlet back into an awareness of his surroundings and his plot. For now, read the post. RE-read the soliloquy from III.i and post any thoughts you might have.

HAMLET
To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action.--Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remember'd.

36 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was listening to this song yesterday and it made me think of Hamlet's soliloquy. The song is about a man who is questioning his religion as he believes he is approaching death. Feel free to add your input on the song.

Artist:Vast
Song:I'm Dying

Jesus Christ
Are you the son of God?
I want to know
you ask that I believe

Not one day goes by that I don't compromise
your love for the cold love of the world
It's killing me through my own evil pride
not one day goes by that I don't know that I'm dying

Jesus Christ
Are you the savior of the world?
I want to see
but I still believe

Not one day goes by that I don't realize
*I know that no one will ever know
where the flowers go when they are gone*
Not one day goes by that I don't know that I'm dying

I want to say
you all are too
I want to say
you all are too

*I thought that was the most important line in relation to Hamlet.

3:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a link for the song if you want to listen to it. Coincidentally it contains a scene from Hamlet.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4759276042387685861&q=vast+I%27m+dying

4:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Norbert Per 6

5:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

at first I thought Hamlet was definitely talking about suicide with the whole "to be or not to be" thing. but, after you further explained it and after we finished reading the rest of the soliloquy, I understand what Hamlet is really talking about.

Tori Cusick, period 4
oh and I'll be in at support tomorrow to find out what I missed in class =)

7:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a very famous first line as we all no but I have never really heard or paid attention to the whole speech nor have i ever really went into depth and understood it. the one thing i was looking forward to with hamlet is this soliloquy. I liked reading the whole thing and really understanding it. It is really interesting all the words thats are used in this soliloquy and play. It seems at first like you cant understand it but if you really read it and pay attention it all makes perfect sense it is just said in a way that the ear is not used to.

Laura Lascoe
Period 6

8:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it very interesting how Hamlet's thoughts change throughout the soliloquy. In the beginning, Hamlet believes that if you die, you go into an eternal sleep. Hamlet then contemplates 1. the choice of being a coward and killing yourself to get through your misery and 2. living through the misery, while being prideful. He belives that it would be in everybody's "better interest" to just end their lives. But once in this eternal sleep, there is no going back. If somebody has awful experiences during this sleep... there is no way for them to escape. Once Hamlet realizes this, he reevaluates his choice once again. He knows that killing himself would be quite sinful and he would go to Hell for it.
And... I think it is ironic that Derek Jacobi plays Hamlet in one play and Claudius in another. I can't wait to hear more insults from Hamlet to Polonius!

Shane Z.
Period 4

9:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do really think that hamlet is thinking so much about his death here. I think he is thinking about his own concerns about what will come after he kills his uncle. will he have to kill others? and maybe even himself. he doesnt know. i think that is what he is contemplating here.

Sami Gross per 4

10:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brad Goran- Period 6
As long as were going to use songs I thought i'd bring one up by the amazing band Muse called "Thoughts of a Dying Atheist." The song is pretty self-explanatory, talking of a man who realizes that his life will end, and that the end of his life will mean the end of everything. The obvious parallels to Hamlet's soliloquy are scary. I'll bring the song in tomorrow so you can play it if you want.
I know the moment's near
And there's nothing we can do
Look through a faithless eye
Are you afraid to die?

It scares the hell out of me
And the end is all I can see
And it scares the hell out of me
And the end is all I can see

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess its just the whole thought of that question mark situation after death. I think that many people feel like Hamlet says we feel, asking themselves what if i die and i just get stuck cursing at myself as a ghost?

This got me thinking about what would happen if there were no spiritual side to death, no reincarnation, no heaven, no hell, just braindeath..

You just cease to exist, and then... what? When you think about it, its kind of scary. Just imagine that you don't go anywhere when you die, and your brain just goes dead, then you'll understand.

Michael Tarlow Per 6

7:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel as if Hamlet is coming into his own and is realizing that the views he once had were only so due to his loyalty to his kingdom and its one-sided views on life. He is now stepping outside these views and now sees that life can be many things, including tragedy. Suicide, as he once looked at it as a sin, is now more of an escape. These views are only so because Hamlet is growing up from being a widdle boy into a big, strong man!
Thank you
Tara Miller Per.6

12:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hamlet is the man with the answers, in this soliloquy it is crucial that he is alone because he doesn’t have the answers, and he can’t show him self to be weak to the gossip of Elisnore. He is not scared of the unknown yet (he just wondering about it), for he has given up the thought of suicide but he is scared because he doesn’t know these things he wants to know, he’s loosing control, with all his wit, knowledge and unprecedented intelligence, he still can’t answer that question of the afterlife, before this soliloquy I think he was frustrated by that, but it seems to me that this soliloquy is a sudden epiphany. He sees that he can’t figure out what happens after death and is smart enough to realize that he can’t know, nobody knows, and is smart enough to detach himself from his religion although the thought of disregarding religion has probably never been done in his presence, being he was raised as a true believer, he is clearly viewing things from an outside perspective, after being cramped up in his own misery for so long. He sees things from a nonreligious, non know-it-all, not egocentric, non regal (common person), objective and emotionless perspective, which I think is ingenious and self-revolutionary.

Hännäh Kåöfmön Per. 6

9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honestly I didn't know why "to be or not to be" was such a famous quote.Yes, it's from Shakespeare..blah blah blah but I didn't know it in it's context and it's actual meaning. It's been cited in movies, books, and another sorts of media and I never understood it. I'm glad we discussed it in depth.

I really like this sililoquy because it's an intellectual Hamlet and how he makes a comment that has a bigger meaning of life and death that applys to everyone and not just to the plot of Hamlet. I look forward to seeing how it all plays out with Cladius seeing the play Hamlet is setting up for him.

Ariyani Wray, Per 6

11:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Hamlet is speaking about suicide in general.It seems as if he is debating with himself about the pros and cons of the act Hamlet says that the miseries of life are great and no one wants to bear them, but then says that too many people are afraid of the unknown of life after death.
carly Lepp period 6

9:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think that in this soliloquy hamlet is weighing the pros and cons of suicide as opposed to staying alive, and in this weighing displays the fallacies of the human being. humans most fear the unknowns and most would rather face something they know themselves to despise and fear rather than face the potentially more dangerous unknown.Hamlet even admits that he knows the weaknesses of the human race in his words "makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all"
at this point he has no thoughts of avenging his father's murder, of anything but this intellectual thought

-masha telishevsky period 6

9:49 AM  
Blogger Philip Lucas said...

The whole "to be or not to be" thing is one of the most famous quotes ever but, not many people ever knew what it ment. This is were we can thank Mr. G ßurn for helping us understand. I think that Hamlets soliloquy is his an expression of his internal conflicts. Those being the fact that he could not find the uummph to kill him self and the fact that he is hesitating to kill "the king"

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Philip Lucas
Per.4
(i am not shure if this is posting twice because my last one disapeared)

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that Hamlet's use
of his faith is keeping him
on good side but it is also
driving him into madness because
he cant decide weather to commit
suicide or the avenge his father
and he is taking everyone around
as his enemy

David betshmuel
per 4

5:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the beginning of the play when Hamlet was charged (by the ghost) to avenge his father's death-- but had failed to do so-- this soliloquy represents a self-evaluation of both his character and the ignobility of his cause.

“To be or not to be…” represents the frustration Hamlet feels with his own indecision to take his Uncle’s life in exchange for his father’s. Mingled with his internal struggle are his earlier feelings of depression (prior to his ghostly visit) that lead him to consider suicide, or simply, the value of life when it feels hopeless and without purpose.

I especially love when Hamlet says:

“And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action…”

This suggests that his once-strong conviction (a decision described by color) to kill his uncle is cut down by the thought of when to do it, how to do it, or whether the visit from the ghost was something real enough to act upon. In other words, Hamlet has thought about killing his uncle for so long, that he has over-thought it. He has psyched himself out of the courage necessary to act.


Landon Ball (L-Ball)
period # 4

10:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the beginning of the play when Hamlet was charged (by the ghost) to avenge his father's death-- but had failed to do so-- this soliloquy represents a self-evaluation of both his character and the ignobility of his cause.

“To be or not to be…” represents the frustration Hamlet feels with his own indecision to take his Uncle’s life in exchange for his father’s. Mingled with his internal struggle are his earlier feelings of depression (prior to his ghostly visit) that lead him to consider suicide, or simply, the value of life when it feels hopeless and without purpose.

I especially love when Hamlet says:

“And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action…”

This suggests that his once-strong conviction (a decision described by color) to kill his uncle is cut down by the thought of when to do it, how to do it, or whether the visit from the ghost was something real enough to act upon. In other words, Hamlet has thought about killing his uncle for so long, that he has over-thought it. He has psyched himself out of the courage necessary to act.




Landon Ball(L-Ball)
period # 4

10:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that it is very interesting how quickly Hamlet was able to change his views on death and suicide. In the beginning Hamlet is absolutely sure that suicide is a sin that will ultimately cause him to go to hell but now he believes that he has no idea what comes after death and neither does anybody else. I believe that the reason for this change in thought is due to Hamlet's failure to avenge his father's death.
Hamlet's current situation of having nobody to trust or go to in his time of need reminds me of a song by Tupac called Me Against the World.
here's the link for the lyrics: http://hem2.passagen.se/tlp/gh_hits/06me_against_the_world.txt

Michael Ashoori
Period 4

10:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reading this soliloquy reminds of of Juliet's soliloquy in Romeo and Juliet, when it was time for Juliet to drink the medicine to make her seem dead and she was listing all the things they may go wrong. Shakespeare has a way to go beyond what is being said and for people to think more about the underlying message. It is human nature to be scared and worried and to doubt.

Jenny La Van
Period 6

11:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that in the "to be or not to be" speech, Hamlet reflects on his forthcoming decision to kill his uncle. There is a certain extent of the nature of suicide in the speech, however it does not dominate it. He realizes that death can be good OR bad, so much so that if he kills himself he will most probably get the bad side of death. He also views of suicide as an escape now rather than a sin. Finally just to ask? Does anybody else think of Billy Madison reciting this speech when we hear it or watch it? I do, and I am sure other people do as well.

-Russell Tuchman
-Per. 4

2:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Hamlet's change of beliefs shows that Hamlet can no longer trust anyone anymore. As everyone in the play slowing turns against Hamlet Hamlet(being the only intelligent one in Denmark so far) Senses this bringing the rest of his previous reality to a crashing hault. Hamlet must re-evaluate His whole world including his beliefs so that his current situation makes more sense and he will be able to go on living. Maybe He will be able to take action and kill. Hamlet kind of represents every person ever just simply living. You have this little life and then crazy stuff happens to you that you don't expect to happen to you and the only choices you have is to either be stagnat or re-evaluate yourself and change. Hamelt's nuts! Mr. Godburn how old are you now?
Jillian Porter
Period 4

3:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I went to this show called Crimson Spot the other night, and people were reciting some poetry I noticed many of them used the famus lines, "To be or not to be", and I got to thinking...These people are not suicidal, no, they are just asking a question. Combining this thought with the things we talked about in class Hamelts soliloquy makes sense.
^___^
Brian H.
Per.6

4:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that Hamlet is starting to think more generally about human nature and the question of life after death because he has isolated himself. Since he cannot really be himself with anyone, he is secluded in his own mind. That gives him a lot of time to think, but the more he thinks about everything (life, death, corruption, etc.), the more disconnected and out of touch with reality he will become.
Layla Church period 6

4:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think that hamlet isnt so much contemplating his own suicide but i think he is simply letting his mind wonder. after all, everything he is going through must of made him slightly crazy. i think it is just an option at the moment, not an action he is 100% sure he even wants to consider
emily gold period 4

4:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really don't think that Hamlet is considering suicide. He just seems to be taking a step back for his life and from reality and looking at things objectively. He isn't emotionally involving himself in his decision making processes he is looking at things from a third person point of view and not taking things to dramatically. He is just saying that with the world being so dark and hard that he would assume more people would just take their own lives and just get on with it. But the simple fact that we have no idea what happens after death keeps us all from doing that. Which is also one of the reasons he is havings such a horrible time killing his uncle because he doesn't know exactly where his uncle will go because no one ever comes back from death.
-Heather Gossler
Pd. 4

5:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

everybody knows the first few lines of this soliloquy but i never really knew what it meant until i read the whole thing. I think that Hamlet is just scared about what will happen to him after he actually follows through with him killing Claudius.
Imraan Shirazi
Per.6

8:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

everybody knows the first few lines of this soliloquy but i never really knew what it meant until i read the whole thing. I think that Hamlet is just scared about what will happen to him after he actually follows through with him killing Claudius.
Imraan Shirazi
Per.6

8:39 PM  
Blogger alreadyheardit said...

Hamlet's assertion that the existential question is the question means, to me, that he is using the debate over offing oneself as an example for all other questions--more specifically, Hamlet isn't talking about just suicide. He's examining all other forms of hesitation and wavering through the most extreme of examples.

9:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is an insane play. We've got so much different stuff going on and its all intertwined and it just all connects to each other. Hamlet is a very dynamic character. Like you said, Hamlet says at first that if he sins he will go straight to hell, but now he says he has no idea what is going to happen when you die. I have a feeling hs opinion has changed because he will be committing a sin very soon and would not like to go to hell for it.

And for the soliloquy, I agree with you and D-Bake. Dustin's interprettion is a little more superficial because he is just restating the words "To be or not to be". Unlike Dustin, your interpretation is a litte more deep and sort of digs into the text and asks for more meaning than what Shakespeare gives us. So although you guys might have different opinions, I think they are both right based on what kind of interpretation someone is asking for.

The End.

Miles Silverstein
Period 4

9:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think hamlet is more worried about what happens to him after he kills claudius. i think he is debating the fact of whether or not he will he be labeled as a murderer or a hero and if he is considered to be a murderer what will be his punishments?

9:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that Hamlet is definitely thinking about suicide in general. It is possible that he is thinking about it for himself, but it is more likely that he is just thinking about the thought of suicide. Either way, i think Hamlet has some serious emotional issues and needs to see a doctor.

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

adam jacobs per 6 whoops

9:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that it is interesting how Hamlet finds a connection between death and sleep.Sleep is a comforting idea and death usually isn't. Yet he ties the two together like there is almost no difference.

10:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was thinking that this is Hamlet's inner thoughts, which takes minutes to speak out, but in his head, the ideas are probably formulated in a second.

I never really understood what "to be or not to be" really meant, as it is usually taken out of context. I hear it misused all the time, and now I'm going to be pissed about it because I know what it's supposed to be.

Another thing I believe is that Hamlet might just really be crazy, and the he's becoming his play as much as his play is becoming him.

Shanley Wang, Period 9 minus 3

10:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric Singer
Period 6
I would have to agree with Mr. Godburn on this one. I think that Hamlet is no longer considering killing himself, but is speaking more philosophically instead.

9:00 AM  

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